“On the surface, NVC is techniques; in depth, it’s a worldview.”
— Hans (~02:50)
TL;DR
- NVC = practical tools + worldview. Use OFNR (Observations, Feelings, Needs, Requests) to cut through story, blame, and fog.
- Hear needs, not attacks. “Jackal ears” hear judgment; “giraffe ears” hear unmet needs—inside others and yourself.
- It’s rarely personal. Strong reactions point to needs and stories. Change the story → change the state.
- Conflict can connect. With repair, conflict becomes a portal to deeper trust.
- Boundaries matter. Use NVC to humanize others—and BIFF or protective force when safety/energy requires.
- Practice small, then scale. Reps in low-stakes contexts prevent “obnoxious giraffe” mode.
Key Terms (Quick Definitions)
- Observations vs. Evaluations — Describe what a camera would see/hear (observation) rather than judgments/labels (evaluation). Ex: “You raised your voice and left the room,” not “You were disrespectful.”
- Feelings vs. Thoughts — Feelings are sensations/emotions (“sad,” “tense”). Thoughts are interpretations (“I feel that you…”, “I feel like…” = thought).
- Needs vs. Strategies — Needs are universal life energies (safety, dignity, understanding). Strategies are the specific ways to meet them (call, text, therapy, walk).
- Requests vs. Demands — Requests invite choice and are specific/doable/time‑bound. Demands imply threat/blame if unmet.
- Empathic Guess — A question that checks your hypothesis about someone’s feelings/needs (“Are you needing to be understood right now?”).
- Giraffe/Jackal Ears — Metaphors popularized in NVC: giraffe (big heart) listens for needs; jackal hears and speaks in judgments—outwardly or inwardly.
- Self‑Connection — Returning attention to your own feelings/needs before speaking or acting; often calms reactivity.
- Protective Use of Force — When there’s imminent harm, you act to protect. Intention is protection, not punishment.
- Enemy Images — Mental stories that dehumanize others (“my world of enemies”); dissolving them restores choice and empathy.
- Guilt Process / “Art of Being Torn” — Mapping the inner voices (accuser/defender), surfacing the needs both parts protect, mourning impact, and choosing aligned next steps.
- Obnoxious Giraffe — Weaponizing NVC jargon or policing others’ language instead of embodying empathy.
Core Principles & How to Use Them
1) Techniques on the surface; worldview in depth
NVC isn’t just wording—it’s seeing humanity in yourself/others.
How to apply
- Before a tough talk, name your intention (connect, understand, protect).
- Ask: “What need is alive in me? In them?”
- Speak to those needs first.
Pitfalls: Using scripts mechanically; chasing “right words” without self‑connection.
2) Use OFNR to de‑fog conflict
Triggers blur facts; OFNR restores clarity.
How to apply
- Observation: “When I saw/heard ___.”
- Feeling: “I felt ___.”
- Need: “Because I’m needing ___ (e.g., clarity/respect).”
- Request: “Would you be willing to ___?”
Pitfalls: Sneaking judgments into “observations”; vague requests.
3) Observing without interpreting (hardest skill)
As Krishnamurti put it, the highest intelligence is to observe without interpretation.
How to apply
- Ask the camera test: “What would a camera record?”
- Replace “always/never/should” with a timestamped behavior.
- If you can’t be neutral, pause and self‑connect first.
Pitfalls: Confusing thoughts for feelings (“I feel like you…”).
4) Jackal ↔ Giraffe translation
Hearing needs dissolves blame.
How to apply
- Translate “You’re impossible” → “Are you overwhelmed and wanting support?”
- Turn inner jackal (“I blew it”) → “I’m needing competence and care; what’s one repair?”
Pitfalls: Telling people what they feel/need—ask as a question.
5) Trust conflict + practice repair
Avoided conflicts become recurring resentments.
How to apply
- Normalize: “This is hard—and valuable.”
- After heat: name impact, name needs, make one repair request, and appreciate any movement.
Pitfalls: Rug-sweeping; zero follow‑up.
6) Boundaries and protective force
Empathy ≠ exposure to harm.
How to apply
- Name your limit: “I’m ending this call now; I’ll reply tomorrow in writing.”
- Choose BIFF (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm) in high‑conflict channels.
- If needed, disengage while maintaining inner empathy (no dehumanizing).
Pitfalls: Staying to “prove” empathy; confusing protection with punishment.
7) Needs as “frequencies” (language that fits you)
“Need” can feel heavy; “value/prefer” may land better.
How to apply
- Use what’s true for you: “I value clarity / I prefer…”
- Track when the felt sense of a need is actually met.
Pitfalls: Rationalizing cravings as needs while ignoring long‑term needs (health, integrity).
8) Skill grows in safe reps
New language triggers others’ “baseline change” alarms.
How to apply
- Practice on paper, voice notes, or with a willing friend.
- Use WhatsApp/text to practice low‑stakes OFNR and empathic guesses.
Pitfalls: Debuting NVC in your highest‑stakes moment.
9) Sensitivity + equanimity
More sensitivity without steadiness = more suffering.
How to apply
- Pair NVC with metta or tonglen; train nervous‑system calm.
- Track: “What helps me stay regulated while I empathize?”
Pitfalls: Over‑identifying with others’ pain; burnout.
Plays You Can Run (Action Drills)
- Camera Test Reframe — Write your first “observation,” then strip judgment until a camera would agree.
- OFNR Micro‑Script — Draft one 4‑line message you could actually send this week.
- Jackal → Giraffe Translation — Take one harsh thought you had today and translate it into a feeling/need.
- Empathic Guess Question — Prepare two questions: “Are you needing ___ or ___?” Use once this week.
- Guilt Process Mini‑Flow — List the accusing voice → list the defending voice → name the needs each part protects → pick one small repair.
- BIFF Reply Template (for a hot email/text) — 2–5 sentences: Brief facts, Informative next step, Friendly tone, Firm boundary.
- Enemy Image Dissolve — Write three humanizing possibilities for someone you demonize; notice your body shift.
- Request Builder — Convert one wish into a specific, doable, time‑bound ask (e.g., “Could we pause 2 minutes if I say ‘reset’ during the call?”).
- Repair Ritual — After a conflict: share impact + need + one appreciation + one request.
- Self‑Connection Pause — Before a hard talk, breathe 60 seconds and name aloud: 1 feeling, 1 need, 1 intention.
Breadcrumbs: People, Books, Tools Mentioned
Frameworks & Key People Referenced
- BIFF (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm) — Bill Eddy / High Conflict Institute
https://highconflictinstitute.com/high-conflict-strategies/how-to-write-a-biff-response/ - Thomas Hübl — Collective/Intergenerational Trauma
https://thomashuebl.com/ - Yoram Mosenzon — CNVC Certified Trainer (Hans’s main NVC teacher)
https://www.connecting2life.net/trainer/yoram-mosenzon/ - Slayer — “Disciple” (album page for context)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Hates_Us_All
Practices (Metta / Tonglen)
- Michael Taft — Tonglen (YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhI5WQF1EA - Michael Taft — Tonglen & Brahmavihāras (YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lGAosA1jSU - Pema Chödrön — Tonglen (book page)
https://pemachodronfoundation.org/product/tonglen-book/ - Tara Brach — Tonglen (overview/practice)
https://www.tarabrach.com/tonglen-meditation/
Books & Key Resources Mentioned
- Nonviolent Communication — Marshall B. Rosenberg (publisher page)
https://nonviolentcommunication.com/product/nvc/ - Say What You Mean — Oren Jay Sofer (publisher page)
https://www.shambhala.com/say-what-you-mean.html - The Magic of Vajrayana — Ken McLeod (author/publisher page)
https://unfetteredmind.org/the-magic-of-vajrayana/
Tools/Frameworks
- OFNR (Observations, Feelings, Needs, Requests)
- Giraffe/Jackal ears (empathy vs. judgment)
- Guilt process / art of being torn
- BIFF (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm) — for high‑conflict replies
- Metta and Tonglen (compassion practices)
Notable Quotes
“On the surface, NVC is techniques; in depth, it’s a worldview.” — Hans (~02:50)
“What makes us angry is not the event, but how we think about the event.” — Hans (~16:20)
“The highest intelligence is observing without interpreting.” — citing Krishnamurti (~14:50)
“Needs are frequencies of my being.” — Hans (~29:01)
“It’s never personal.” — Hans (~05:57 & 1:05:22)
“Conflict can be a portal to connection—if we repair.” — Jon/Hans (~33:20–35:05)
“Don’t become the NVC police—avoid the ‘obnoxious giraffe.’” — Hans (~40:19)
“Every judgment or anger is a tragic expression of an unmet need.” — citing Rosenberg (~1:25:06)
“Vulnerability is the success metric, not perfection.” — Hans (~1:19:00)
Mini Transcript Map (the arc at a glance)
- Cold open & intentions; how we’ll talk
- NVC: techniques vs. worldview; Hans’ personal hook
- Inner work: less personalization, the guilt process
- Society vs. self: Rosenberg’s big vision, Hans’ focus
- OFNR explained; practicing with floor markers
- Hardest skill: pure observations; anger as interpretation
- Jackal vs. giraffe ears; chronic jackal mode & boundaries
- Needs language and “frequencies”; self-congruence
- Families, trauma, and dissolving enemy images
- Trusting conflict + the repair lens
- Avoiding NVC policing; Stoic embodiment
- BIFF for high-conflict exchanges; where NVC fits
- Learning in entrenched relationships; “warm bath” caution
- Practice in low‑stakes contexts first
- Sensitivity with equanimity; metta & tonglen
- The third compassionate voice; resources & next steps
FAQ (from the episode)
Q: How does NVC fit with Stoicism?
A: Both emphasize self‑mastery. NVC adds a language for needs and requests; Stoicism adds steadiness and focus on what’s controllable. Together: embody, don’t preach.
Q: What if the other person has “jackal ears” and won’t play?
A: Keep empathy inside, but use boundaries and, when needed, BIFF. Humanize them without self‑exposure.
Q: Is NVC manipulative?
A: Intention matters. If you’re trying to “win,” it backfires. If your aim is clarity/connection/protection, the same tools land clean.
Q: How do I practice without sounding weird?
A: Start in writing/voice notes; use the camera test; make empathic guesses as questions; avoid jargon.
Q: How do I measure progress?
A: Early on you may see more conflict as you stop rug‑sweeping. Look for faster self‑connection, cleaner requests, better repairs, and less dehumanizing “enemy images.”
Q: Can NVC handle truly volatile situations?
A: For imminent harm, use protective force and safety first. NVC informs the intention and later repair; BIFF helps in written exchanges.
Links & Credits
- Guest — Hans van Veen
• Insight Timer teacher page: https://insighttimer.com/hansvanv1
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nondualcommunication/ - Site: https://www.nondualcommunication.net/
- Host — Jon Brooks
• Site: https://stoichandbook.co
• Newsletter (Nous): https://www.nous.xyz/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/jonbrooks - Mentioned resources
• Marshall Rosenberg’s NVC book
• Say What You Mean
• Michael Taft (Tonglen on YouTube)
• Pema Chödrön; Tara Brach; Thomas Hübl; Ken McLeod:
• BIFF by Bill Eddy
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